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I love this lipgloss color with MAC Oak. I was looking for something to make my lips look a tad pink (it makes my teeth look whiter) but not too bright or too chalky. The first time I tried it, I used a different lip liner and also tried it with no liner. I hated it. I passed it up. Recently I was carrying my oak liner so I tried it again and wow! What a great combination. The oak liner on me blends well with the color of my lips so the gloss just stands on it`s own with a bit off depth if that makes sense. I am MAC NC25 and Giorgio Armani 5.5. I think skin color makes a huge difference with this combination.